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APPENDIX II to the minute of meeting of the Education Committee of 11 June 2002 (Article 1(c) refers)

MINUTE of MEETING of the JOINT CONSULTATIVE COMMITTEE (TEACHERS) held in the Town and County Hall, Forfar on Monday 13 May 2002 at 3.30 pm.

Present: Authority Representatives

Councillors BRIAN MILNE and SHEENA WELSH, JIM ANDERSON (Director of Education), NEIL LOGUE (Head of Educational Services) JAN NOWAK (Head of Educational Services) and CRAIG CLEMENT (Head of Educational Services).

Teachers' Representatives




Apology: An apology for absence was intimated on behalf of LESLEY ANDERSON.

Mr Graeme Kiddie, Chairman, in the Chair.


The minute of meeting of this Committee of 11 February 2002 was submitted and approved as a correct record.


With reference to Article 2 of the minute of previous meeting, Brian McHardy indicated that the National Qualification Strategy Group was the appropriate vehicle to respond to the Scottish Executive with regard to proposals on National Qualifications (NQs). Neil Logue indicated that the Curricular Advisory Groups (CAGS) also had a useful role in Angus, in considering issues in relation to national qualifications and had made representation to the Scottish Executive to seek, in particular, a reduction in the burden of assessment.

Neil Logue referred to a recent insert on NQs in the departmental newsletter "VIEW" and indicated that no responses had been received from teachers in Angus.

In response to a request for an update on the position with regard to S3 and S4, Neil Logue indicated that the Scottish Executive appeared to have placed less emphasis on implementing NQs in S3 and S4 than had been reported in the Media, but agreed that consideration be given to this matter as part of current curricular reviews.

The Committee agreed to note that Jim Anderson would, in due course, submit a report to the AJNCT on the introduction of NQs at S3 and S4 level.


With reference to Article 3 of the minute of previous meeting, the Committee considered verbal progress reports in relation to the Working Group on Positive Behaviour Management and the Discipline Task Group Recommendations.

In response to a question from Arthur Pritchard on the Discipline Task Group recommendations and allocated resources to Angus for 2001/2002, Jim Anderson indicated that the Better Behaviour ­ Better Learning Steering Group would meet on 16 May 2002 to to consider, among other things, the particular issue of allocation of expenditure of £68,000 on policy, review and planning.

Thereafter Arthur Pritchard sought confirmation of the Council's existing policy on re-admissions. Jim Anderson indicated that the policy had not been reviewed following reorganisation but that he would report to the AJNCT in due course.

The Committee agreed to note the position.


With reference to Article 4 of the minute of previous meeting, there was submitted Report No 581/02 by the Director of Education giving information about 16 cases relating to secondary pupils, 9 cases relating to primary pupils, 2 cases relating to nursery pupils and 2 cases relating to the mother of a nursery pupil; all relating to violence and/or aggression to staff which had occurred during the period November 2001 to April 2002.

Having heard further details from Jim Anderson, the Committee agreed to note the contents of the Report.


With reference to Articles 22 and 23 of the minute of meeting of the Education Committee of 22 January 2002, there was submitted a Report by the Director of Education summarising progress on the additional support provided to date with respect to additional clerical and primary school assistant support for primary schools, additional centrally based property staff and additional centrally based IT staff and third party support for ICT. The Report indicated that the staff Working Group established to consider these matters had continued to meet and a further Report would be submitted to the Education Committee recommending further recruitment of additional staff in due course.

The Report concluded that Angus Council had complied with the letter and spirit of the McCrone Agreement and that the additional posts created would be of genuine assistance in helping schools to deliver an ever higher quality of service to pupils.

Peter Andrews welcomed the Report and, in particular, that the monies identified for support staff to schools had been spent in this area.

The Committee agreed to note the position.


With reference to Article 5 of the minute of previous meeting, the Committee considered progress reports on the Tripartite Agreement "A Teaching Profession for the 21st Century" in relation to the allocation of probationary teachers to schools and induction arrangements.

Brian McHardy indicated that there had been a lack of information from the Scottish Executive on issues relating to the allocation of probationary teachers to schools. He also reminded the Committee of the SNCT ruling that 0.7 commitment for probationer teachers referred to 0.7 of class contact time and not 0.7 of the whole school teaching week. He also expressed concerns regarding the operation of the "mentoring" model and the workload implications for mentors.

Jim Anderson agreed there had been a lack of information, particularly in relation to funding. However, the Scottish Executive had now come up with a better funding formula in that it would fund, in full, additional probationers, provided their appointment to a place helped towards "national priorities". Jim Anderson expected that, by Friday 17 May, the Scottish Executive would advise of the number of additional probationers for Angus. In the meantime, he confirmed that approximately 20 posts in the secondary sector would be filled by probationers. This would mean that Angus Council could allocate its quota of probationers in secondary schools in the coming year. However, the position regarding primary vacancies in Angus was still unclear. Questions still remained to be resolved as to the mechanism for the matching process. With regard to mentoring, it was unclear what the balance of central and school based support systems would be, particularly in relation to the secondary sector where there were timetabling difficulties.

Brian McHardy raised further issues regarding the retention of present probationers who were on the supply teaching list; those individuals who were due to have been offered permanent contracts, having completed 1 year of satisfactory service (5 individuals); concerns that there would be a succession of trainees in certain secondary school departments; and the related issue of fair selection/competitive interview.

Jim Anderson responded that opportunities would arise for current temporary post-holders to be considered for whatever temporary posts may become available next session. He agreed to monitor the position of teachers on full-time temporary contracts. Jim Anderson also agreed that the filling of vacancies with only probationary teachers would not be appropriate.

The Committee agreed to note the position.


With reference to Article 5(a) of the minute of previous meeting, Brian McHardy indicated that the Continuing Professional Development Plan was due to be finalised by schools by 27 June 2002 and referred to possible difficulties for schools in completing the plan in this timescale. He also sought further information on the consultation arrangements regarding Continuing Professional Department (CPD).

Neil Logue indicated that, if 27 June 2002 proved too tight a deadline, this could be extended to 30 September 2002. There would be opportunities for detailed consultations within schools and draft copies of the Angus Staff Development Programme were available on request. Brian McHardy expressed further concern regarding the shape of the staff development programme insofar as there appeared to be a predominance of twilight courses. Neil Logue responded that whilst some activities would be school based, there would be more twilight courses in order to minimise the impact on pupils' learning. In response to a further question from Brian McHardy on the relationship of CPD with PRD (Professional Review and Development), Neil Logue indicated that documentation could be amended to cross refer PRD with CPD.

The Committee noted that a Sub-Committee of the AJNCT might be established to consider the implementation of CPD/PRD in Angus schools.


Neil Logue indicated that Price Waterhouse Cooper had been successful in tendering for the development of a job sizing "tool kit" to be used nationally to implement the McCrone Agreement. It was intended that all jobs would be "sized" by June 2003.

He further informed the Committee that the "tool kit", once finalised, would be tested in 100 schools and that job sizers would be trained in every authority. It was envisaged that 4 job sizers would be required for the 300/400 post holders in Angus. Peter Andrews indicated that the view of the Teachers Panel was that 2 of the 4 trainee job sizers should be teachers with either a short term secondment or an equivalent time-off arrangement.

The Committee agreed to note the position.


There was submitted a discussion paper by the Director of Education which had been prompted by a research report entitled "Acting Headship ­ A Professional Opportunity?", published by the University of Edinburgh in November 2001. The Report indicated that Angus Council did not currently have a formal scheme in place for the identification of Acting Head Teachers and that, in the majority of cases, in which temporary vacancies had arisen, the most senior person in the school in question had been asked to take on the duties of the Head Teacher for a temporary period.

The Report concluded that, whilst no significant problems had been identified in the current arrangements, it would be desirable to explore possible ways of improving the current arrangements. It was therefore proposed that a small pool (approximately seven or eight) of qualified primary teachers with significant experience be established.

The Committee agreed to note the paper and that Teachers' representatives would attempt to provide more detailed feedback on its contents in early course.


There was submitted and considered by the Committee SNCT circulars in relation to Salaries and Conditions of Service Agreement for Music Instructors and Education Advisers, as follows:-

(a) SNCT\11 ­ Music Instructors

The above circular advised that the SNCT had reached agreement on a pay increase to Music Instructors' scale with effect from 1 April 2002, 1 January 2003 and 1 August 2003 as detailed in the Appendix. An additional contractual 35 hours per year would be introduced from 1 August 2002 for appropriate activities, as detailed in Appendix 2 to the circular. It had also been agreed that, with effect from 1 April 2004, there was no longer a contractual link of 92.5% to the unpromoted teachers' scale.

The Committee agreed to note the terms of the circular and that the devolved elements of the music instructors' conditions of service would be considered by the AJNCT.

(b) SNCT\12 ­ Education Advisers

The above circular indicated that agreement had been reached on a pay increase to the Advisers' scales with effect from 1 April 2001, 1 April 2002 and 1 April 2003, as detailed in Appendix 1. With effect from 1 August 2002, the title of Adviser would be changed to that of Quality Improvement Officer and an additional contractual 35 hours of Continuing Professional Development (CPD) would be introduced as a maximum for Quality Improvement Officers as detailed in Appendix 2. As from August 2003, Quality Improvement Officers would assimilate to a new pay spine, following a job sizing exercise and specific details would be discussed by the Scottish Negotiating Committee for Teachers (SNCT) in the near future. Details of the role of Quality Improvement Officers were set out in Appendix 3. There would not be a detailed set of duties for Quality Improvement Officers in the Scheme of Pay and Conditions of Service and education authorities would be required to set out the specific tasks to be carried out by Quality Improvement Officers employed at different levels of posts.

The Committee agreed to note the terms of the circular and that the devolved elements of the Advisers conditions of service would be considered by the AJNCT.


Peter Andrews sought an update on public/private partnerships in relation to primary school provision in Carnoustie and Forfar.

Craig Clement responded that the Council had examined various options for funding for the schools including public/private partnerships and it was expected that a Report would be submitted to the Education Committee in the near future.

Peter Andrews requested that the teachers be fully included in any further discussions.

The Committee agreed to note the position.


There was submitted a discussion paper by the Director of Education on Secondary School Organisational Structures advising that, at an Angus Council Seminar held on 18 March 2002, consideration had been given to the McCrone Agreement in relation to career structures for teaching staff. The discussion paper set out key features of an organisational structure for schools, identified the specific issues to be addressed and set out in the Appendix, an outline proposal on possible structures.

Peter Andrews indicated that the Seminar had been a useful start to the process. However, a number of issues required to be clarified and resolved before considering a model. Secondary schools were complex organisational units and teachers participation in the way forward was essential. He indicated that the Appendix to the Report had created some anxiety and speculation in schools and urged Jim Anderson to discuss issues further with teachers prior to any further discussion on a model.

Jim Anderson accepted a need to build consensus on the way forward and welcomed further discussion. Peter Andrews requested that a holding letter be issued indicating that no changes would take place in Session 2002/2003.

The Committee agreed to note the position.


The Committee noted that the Education Committee had agreed, at its meeting of 3 March 2002, to formally establish an Angus Joint Negotiating Committee for Teachers (Angus JNCT) and to formally recommend to the JCC (Teachers) that it should be disbanded on the formation of the proposed new JNCT. The inaugural meeting of the AJNCT was due to be held immediately following this meeting. Accordingly, the Committee agreed to note that this was the final meeting of the Joint Consultative Committee (Teachers).

Graeme Kiddie thanked all former Chairmen and Committee members for their contributions to the work of the Committee both past and present.

Councillor Milne remarked on the amicable way in which issues had been dealt with by this Committee and expressed the hope that this ethos would continue into the new AJNCT.

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